Comments on: “Evergreen” Does Not Mean Immediately Available https://css-tricks.com/evergreen-does-not-mean-immediately-available/ Tips, Tricks, and Techniques on using Cascading Style Sheets. Wed, 09 Feb 2022 01:23:00 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.4.3 By: Nux https://css-tricks.com/evergreen-does-not-mean-immediately-available/#comment-1789363 Tue, 08 Feb 2022 00:58:21 +0000 https://css-tricks.com/?p=362169#comment-1789363 In reply to Chris.

Well there are various reasons…

Browser updates don’t always work as expected. When you are doing a presentation, I strongly encourage to disable your updates. I’ve seen it more then once when something suddenly doesn’t work. Not possible? Chrome plans remove alert(). Firefox and Chrome disabled TLS 1.0 quite recently (and obviously some sites were not ready, some still aren’t).
When you have many tabs this not a 30 second restart. My wife has literally more then 100 tabs open. Restarts are slow as you can imagine (she uses Chrome).
You might loose your work. When you have many open tabs you might forget to save. And webpages don’t always save drafts or warn before closing tabs.
You loose your sessions. Tabs can be restored but session cookies are removed (HTTP sessions are removed too). You might need to re-authenticate to various sites after restart.
Hibernation. Some people just hibernate their computers. I do. That way everything is ready when you need it. Even if I don’t have that many tabs I can have a browser open for months.

So yes, unfortunately this is not as easy as it seems.

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By: Doug https://css-tricks.com/evergreen-does-not-mean-immediately-available/#comment-1789349 Mon, 07 Feb 2022 19:47:17 +0000 https://css-tricks.com/?p=362169#comment-1789349 I often just don’t want the disruption and wait til Chrome’s button is red before updating. Can’t find the link, but I also saw something recently about Chrome being limited by OS version on Chromebooks, similar to Safari.

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By: Calinou https://css-tricks.com/evergreen-does-not-mean-immediately-available/#comment-1789129 Wed, 02 Feb 2022 23:37:49 +0000 https://css-tricks.com/?p=362169#comment-1789129 While we’re on the topic of browser versions, it should be kept in mind that many web browsers have LTS versions available with slower update cycles (such as Firefox ESR). Some users – even outside of enterprise workloads – deliberately choose such browsers to maximize stability and avoid running into regressions.

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By: Adrian Roselli https://css-tricks.com/evergreen-does-not-mean-immediately-available/#comment-1789109 Wed, 02 Feb 2022 18:21:05 +0000 https://css-tricks.com/?p=362169#comment-1789109 I think many devs forget how many users are mobile-first or mobile-only, more for some sites than others. Which has a slightly different evergreen browser update model.

The macOS limitation on evergreen generally applies on iOS/iPadOS (especially since all browsers on iDevices are Safari).

On Android, many users disable the Google Play Store from auto-updating apps. After being burned when their favorite apps munge the UI or kill features, they are more cautious. These users are not updating their browser as much as a result.

Gathering anecdata from a half dozen Android users I know, their Chrome and Firefox versions averaged 10 versions behind.

On my own site, when I look at just browser versions and then compare mobile versus not, the older versions (70s and 80s) tend to more prevalent on mobile (with the 30s on desktop, perhaps owing to web views).

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By: Jeffery To https://css-tricks.com/evergreen-does-not-mean-immediately-available/#comment-1789095 Wed, 02 Feb 2022 14:00:27 +0000 https://css-tricks.com/?p=362169#comment-1789095 In reply to Bramus.

There are standalone updates for Safari but they are only available for the previous two major versions of macOS. For instance, Safari 13 (released with macOS 10.15) is only available for macOS 10.14 and 10.13. (The Safari 15 release notes don’t specifically say, but according to Wikipedia it is not available for macOS 10.14 or older.)

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By: Marlon Ruttmann https://css-tricks.com/evergreen-does-not-mean-immediately-available/#comment-1789051 Wed, 02 Feb 2022 03:57:55 +0000 https://css-tricks.com/?p=362169#comment-1789051 In reply to Tim Smith.

Cuz Safari is the new IE?

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By: Bramus https://css-tricks.com/evergreen-does-not-mean-immediately-available/#comment-1789034 Tue, 01 Feb 2022 22:12:45 +0000 https://css-tricks.com/?p=362169#comment-1789034 “By this I mean it [Safari] automatically receives updates, but awkwardly requires them to be done when updating the macOS operating system with other system-wide updates.”

Worth nothing, as a nuance, is that you don’t need to perform the macOS update in order to get the Safari update. This is also reflected in your screenshot: you can uncheck the macOS update checkbox. Because of this decoupling, older macOS versions (which might no longer be updated) can also receive Safari updates nowadays. This wasn’t always the case though, hence the confusion.

On iOS it’s an entirely different story, unfortunately. AFAIK, there, the Safari version updates are still tightly coupled with the iOS version updates.

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By: Eric Bailey https://css-tricks.com/evergreen-does-not-mean-immediately-available/#comment-1789022 Tue, 01 Feb 2022 20:35:12 +0000 https://css-tricks.com/?p=362169#comment-1789022 In reply to Chris.

And yet.

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By: Chris https://css-tricks.com/evergreen-does-not-mean-immediately-available/#comment-1789019 Tue, 01 Feb 2022 18:23:47 +0000 https://css-tricks.com/?p=362169#comment-1789019 “It turns out they prefer to wait until they absolutely have to because of the disruption it would cause in their daily workflow.”

What s***y workflow do they have if a 30 second restart disrupts their daily workflow? Don’t they take breaks? If they are not monitoring a nuclear reactor, this explanation doesn’t make any sense.

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By: Tim Smith https://css-tricks.com/evergreen-does-not-mean-immediately-available/#comment-1789012 Tue, 01 Feb 2022 16:56:36 +0000 https://css-tricks.com/?p=362169#comment-1789012 What about all the other browsers? Why only focus on Safari?

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